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TOPIC: Paying parent living in the UAE?

Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60300

Can anyone tell me what the current understanding is for a paying parent of one child , residing in the UAE? I am and always will pay my way. I have a property in the UK and will hopefully be earning tax free in the UAE.
I frown upon dads that don't pay there way for there children. I'm hoping to allay any worries to my daughters mum on this subject. Thank you .

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60305

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Hi,

Im not sure whatyour looking for. I do not know if there is a reciprocal agreement with the CSA or CMS with UAE which would mean that the CSA or CMS could follow up and retrieve any outstanding maintanance but if you already have a private agreement then you just keep paying it.

You can use the CMS calculator to work out the amount and providing your former partner is happy just pay it.

If she is looking for some sort of assurance that there is an agreement in the UAE where she can enforce mainatance then Im not sure.

You could google and find out if there is such an agreement with UAE.

Sorry I cant be more help.

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Dave
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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60306

I understand that UAE don't have a recipicol agreement with the UK CSA system which then tells me that for the dads that don't wish to pay , they don't have to pay? I'm afraid I feel as a dad I would want to pay, but if a dad as a property in the UK are they also obliged to pay CSA?
I'm confused :((

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60353

If you earn in the UK (e.g. earnings from rented property), then the CMS/CSA can use this information or your HMRC declaration to calculate how much you must pay.

However if you do not earn an income from your property, or earn any other income declared in the UK, then CMS cannot oblige you to pay maintenance.

However it still begs the question posed above by DaveR.
What are you looking for with your question?

If you want to allay your ex's fears regarding child maintenance, then just set up a standing order, or you both go to court and agree an maintenance order.

If you are trying to find out if you can be obligated to pay if working in the UAE, then unless your income is paid and declared in the UK, you cannot be forced to pay.

If as you say, you want to do the right thing, then just go ahead and do it.
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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60361

Hi thank you for your replies.
Top and bottom of my querys are , I've always paid my ex via csa system, I'm considering a move to the UAE for a career change.
What I have been paying to my ex via csa, I am willing to carry that on indefinitely. I plan to pay this directly into her bank.My concern is, can csa demand more even though my wages would be paid into another bank outside this country ? Plus the UAE don't have any sort of agreement with the csa . My house is not going to be a source of income due to me just closing it up, until I return. Thank you. Hope that clears any q's up. :)))

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60374

So the primary concern is not really to appease the ex's fears after all ;)
Totally understand your concerns.

In that case the answers to your questions ref enforceability from the CSA are in my earlier response.

In addition you may want to consider the following:
1.
Keep on paying the agreed amount as specified in your current payment schedule.
That way, at the end of your current payment period you will not be in debit\arrears from CSA standpoint.
2.
When calculating you next payment schedule, the CSA will request your Income information from HMRC.
So your primary concern is not allaying your ex's fears then?

As your income will not have been declared for the next financial year (if you are then working and earning in the UAE) they will have no information to go by, and will write to you for information on your earnings.

3.
If this information is not forth coming, they will just keep-on piling on arrears using the previously agreed information.

4.
With point 3 above in mind....
I suggest that if paying the ex the currently agreed amount, make it by standing order thereby keeping records for future proof of payment.
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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60399

Hi jastix
Thk u. Slightly confused.......... So if my earnings are from and within a tax free country and paid into a UAE bank, have the CSA got a right to know? As its not come through HMRC?
Rgds

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60402

Hi johnny_95,

I would contact the CSA office handling your case and talk directly to them. Explain the situation (I would limit the information to you are going abroad to work for a period of xxxxxx) and that you intend to keep up your payments but would like to do so in such a way that you don't fall foul of them thinking you have not kept up payments.

I suggest that if paying the ex the currently agreed amount, make it by standing order thereby keeping records for future proof of payment.


This is a cracking idea. You just need to be able to prove that you have maintained the payment schedule.

I am not sure how the CSA/CMS will be able to assess your income going forward if you no longer have HMRC returns in the uk? Interesting question.......

I have some contacts at the DWP, I could ask them if you like.

Gooner
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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60407

Cheers goonerplum if you don't mind that would be great. Thk you.

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60430

Hello Johnny_95

With you having a case with the Child Support Agency (CSA) you may wish to contact the directly to discuss your concerns regarding what will happen to your payments if you do move to the UAE and when your liability would end. Additionally, what will happen regarding this income from you property in the UK. You will find their details on any letters they have sent you or on Gov.uk at www.gov.uk/child-maintenance .

You have mentioned that you are willing to pay child maintenance directly to your ex-partner, if you both can agree to this you may wish to consider a family-based arrangement. Family-based arrangements are not legally enforceable and there are no strict rules or formulas to stick to when working out child maintenance. Therefore parents can decide the terms of their agreement to suit their current circumstances.

The Child Maintenance Options website has a useful tools and guides section that you and your ex-partner may find helpful when trying to negotiate their family-based arrangement. This can be found at www.cmoptions.org . There is an online calculator that you may find useful when calculating child maintenance with your new wages.

As mentioned by other users the UAE is not enforceable by the Reciprocal Enforcement of Maintenance Orders (REMO). Therefore if you move to the UAE, before you go, you and your ex-partner may wish to agree and amount of maintenance payable and take it to court to make this legal. However, just to make you aware as it cannot be enforced REMO, if payments were missed or reduced the child maintenance payments could not be enforced.

For more information on the different ways to set up child maintenance and for a more personalised service, you can visit the Child Maintenance Options website.

The DWP have a sorting out separation web-app that you may find useful. It offers help and support to separating and separated families. The link is: www.dad.info/divorce-and-separation/sorting-out-separation .

Regards

William
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This information which Child Maintenance Options has provided is not a substitute for independent professional advice and users should obtain professional advice relevant to their particular circumstances.

Please note: the Child Maintenance Options team cannot answer any questions relating to a specific CSA or Child Maintenance Service case

Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #60887

Hi any news from your pals in dwp gooner

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Paying parent living in the UAE? 4 years 3 months ago #61063

Hi Johnny_95,

Sorry totally missed the fact that you had responded to my offer. I have emailed the DWP this afternoon and I hope that I can get some sort of answer for you over the next week.

Sorry for the delay.

As soon as I get a response, I will post the details here.

Thanks

Gooner.
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