TOPIC: Child arrangement order

Child arrangement order 3 weeks 3 days ago #101770

Hi all
After some advice I'm currently expecting my daughter at the end of the month. Her mother however isn't playing ball with me. I had social service phone me up saying she was now being placed on child protection from the moment shes born owing to physical and emotional abuse caused by my ex to her oldest (not mine). My issue is social dont seem to be pushing down the court option like I want they are more leaning on basically sticking her on protection plan and keeping a eye on things. Now bit of background my ex lost her first born to social 9 years ago for the same reason and has been under child protection with her oldest last year only coming off in August this year to be but back on it now. Has anyone been through anything like this and taken it to court to get the child removed from mother over child protection issues? Social seem to be pushing me to get parental responsibility order asap and the initial report I've been read gives a very daming view of the ex. I've been told the courts are in a bit of a dads rights phase atm and things have started to look more favorable for fathers was told this by social referencing several cases they recently attended. My way of thinking is how can a court side with a mother who has child protection issues over a farther who already has 50/50 custody of other child and zero social background or concern anyone who's been through this or similar any comments would be most welcome this is currently ripping me apart
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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 2 days ago #101784

hi pete,

if your ex will not allow you to see your child, then you dont have any other option other can go to court. i think you should take advice from social services, sounds like its all in your favour. i dont know how this child protection issue works. but if baby was given to you, how would you deal with situation, would you have to give up your job? i think you should stay in regular contact with socials and try find out how this can all work for you.
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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101814

Thanks for the reply
I'm confused by the whole social thing they clearly dont trust her with her oldest let alone a newborn the report they read me over the phone is crystal clear they have excepted emotional and physical abuse has happened/happening. However they seem hesitant to do any real action other than placing kids names on the at risk register and issuing her with a social protection plan. One minute her social worker is basically pushing me to get parental responsibility asap and asking how I'd cope with newborn etc the next she seems to be backtracking. Every ounce of legal advice I get says I cant do anything until baby is born but also state the fact she will be on the at risk register allows me to bypass meditation phase and get a 48 fast track court hearing. Solicitor seems to think given the current fathers movement happening in court and child protection issues I stand a very high chance of getting a immediate emergency protection order. I feel as though I'm almost being used by social as a means for them to take a backseat and use me as the driver to remove the baby they state they dont think they can get it to court under their current criteria required but if I go to court they will back me in getting her removed. To me that smells like a money thing as if i raise it in court i pay but if they raise it i get to tag onto the case for free. This is a huge mess that's causing me no end of grief all I want is to take my little girl when shes born and ensure she never has to subject to any of this. I find it hard to believe they can agree abuse is present and high risk yet they wont really do much about it especially with baby as she has a home to come to the second shes born where she wont be at any risk surely common sense should prevail in this situation?

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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101815

Hi Pete,

Social Services are the court bitch and they will get you do the dirty work. They never resolve any thing and the child custody cases in this country is way of making money. Best to sort it out with the mother however dont expect any favours from the court either.

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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101816

Thanks for the reply

I cant sort this with the mother as social have stepped in on her so anything I now wish to do has to go through them annoying part is they have already agreed I'm the far better option for my daughter but because shes the mother they hesitate to remove her. To me that's like saying it's ok for baby to suffer as long as its caused by her mother. I did manage to speak to a very helpful solicitor (ex social worker) and she was very confident she could get me full custody but I'd have to play nasty and completely block the ex from ever seeing her etc but I dont want to have to play nasty I just want to be able to safe guard my girl in a environment and situation I have full control over at all times

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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101818

Mate, Welcome to my world. Social services are dirty and manipulative people, they will put a lot of children at risk, Of course they will tell you and your ex to keep a distance and dont contact each other. They will tell her you have accused her of these allegations and then they will tell you a different story. Before we know you both will accusing each other and then the social services will be playing the good guy in the middle, they may stop one of the parents from seeing the kids while the allegations are being investigated. This can take years and money is to be made the longer they keep the child away from the father.

If you are able to and want your child also to have a mother, best to get in touch with her and have a dialogue and resolve it out of court. I can tell you now there is no child interest and it is a money making scheme. Good luck anyway

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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101824

hi pete,

i would advise wait till the babies born and see how situation unfolds. if baby is left with mother, then keep on social services case to make sure the baby is safe. if mother denies you access to see the baby, then you can take legal route.

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Child arrangement order 3 weeks 1 day ago #101830

That's what solicitor says. However social want me to gain parental responsibility on day 1 of birth and dont seem to want to wait until then but legally nothing can be done until birth on my part. They can however get a order to remove child at birth and do DNA to give me parental responsibility then hand her over to me I'm aware that means she will be in care for first few days whilst waiting for DNA but if it means shes safe I'm ok with that

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Child arrangement order 2 weeks 6 days ago #101885

Had the child protection hearing today despite heavy heavy daming report from socail about my ex and saying that they have zero concerns with me taking over the baby they will not open a court case or write a report to substantiate that so I'm left in a position where I'm being blocked from contact from day of birth and daughter will be in danger and there is nothing I can do about it solicitor doesn't want to take it to court as very slim chance of achieving anything without socails backing

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Child arrangement order 2 weeks 6 days ago #101892

hi,

well if court is only option to secure contact, you should go for it. theres a different arm of social workers, they work for the court. their called CAFCASS. as soon as you make court application, then no doubt they will get involved and will look into the local reports from social services and everything surrounding the child. they check police records of both parents etc. you have backing from socials. i think you need a new solicitor. or save yourself some legal fees cash and just pay £215 to make the court application. you need a C100 form. as a last resort can you make any kind of contact with the mother and see if she will let you see your child once he/she is born???

www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-...to-vary-or-discharge

this charity will fill in the forms for you for free: www.supportthroughcourt.org/

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Child arrangement order 2 weeks 6 days ago #101903

Court is my only option but the legal advise I'm getting from 3 different solicitors all say the same thing unless I can somehow convince socail to back my legal action the courts wont give me any merit as they will just say socail are doing their job by placing a protection plan on her

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Child arrangement order 2 weeks 5 days ago #101927

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I'd check out family rights group - they are a charity that can help when social services are involved - www.frg.org.uk

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