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Mother of Child Lying 1 year 10 months ago #89056

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This is great advice. Again.
I've remained extremely child oriented. Her allegations are ridiculous. She's claimed everything from I demanded she abort the child at 6 months to she fell down the stairs at 7 months and I refused to help her! I've found those messages which completely contradict what she's saying. There are a number of utterly ridiculous lies, which she seems to repeat a lot... It's pretty obvious to me they're trying to make me look like someone who is violent, who does not want a child but how it ultimately reads is a complete attack on me.

Whereas my stance has been completely child oriented. She is stating she wants me to have NO contact with my child. I am stating I believe both parents should be in a child's life. She has completely isolated the child from my side of the family, she's not only denied the child her father but her grandparents and extended family.

We cared for the child equally, she worked half a week, I worked from home half a week and cared for the child while she worked.

Yet now suddenly I'm the monster that she is saying cannot be anywhere near the child despite her being perfectly happy to leave this same monster with the child unsupervised for over 3 days a week!!

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Mother of Child Lying 1 year 10 months ago #89062

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It sounds to me that she has overloaded the Scott Schedule with allegations, generally it’s best practice to stick to roughly five of the most “important”, so she hasn’t done herself any favours! Of course it’s right that you respond to all of them, but try and keep your responses concise, you want your statement to be flow and be short enough to keep the judges attention.

I’m sure any of the moderators would be happy to look over your finished statement and offer their opinion.

All the best

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Mother of Child Lying 1 year 10 months ago #89068

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Mojo wrote: It sounds to me that she has overloaded the Scott Schedule with allegations, generally it’s best practice to stick to roughly five of the most “important”, so she hasn’t done herself any favours! Of course it’s right that you respond to all of them, but try and keep your responses concise, you want your statement to be flow and be short enough to keep the judges attention.

I’m sure any of the moderators would be happy to look over your finished statement and offer their opinion.

All the best


Overloaded.... there are 14 points each with multiple sections to them... a, b, c, d, etc.

Then there's a lengthy general findings section too. It's repetitive and frankly ridiculous. It's just a complete attack on me with very little substance!

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OK I have now returned the Scott Schedule to the Court.
I have some queries.

It's apparent the majority of the allegations are completely disproved with the evidence I have submitted - furthermore it's clearly apparent via the evidence submitted my ex is quite literally lying in her list of allegations.

On that basis what would you expect to occur with such conclusive proof?

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... Well therein lies the conundrum of family courts, it's practically impossible to predict the outcome, in great part, it's down to the calibre of the judge on the day... Your evidence may be solid but if you don't present yourself in the manner that they expect, you will lose ground.

Much better to go with no expectations, quietly confident and willing to compromise... Forget what will happen to her if you prove she's lied, it's more likely that nothing will be said, at most she'll get no more than a telling off and a harsh pointed look from the judge.

I wish there were repercussions, but in reality they never call it out for contempt, which you would expect in criminal proceedings, but not in civil court generally. So don't waste your time and energy thinking about her case, or what might happen to her... Just concentrate on your own case and presenting yourself as the dad that can rise above it all and focus on what's best for your children, that's your road to success in my opinion.

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Thanks, do you think there's a possibility of them removing the need for a fact finding hearing if I'm providing a large amount of evidence that completely disproves a lot of what is being said and casts serious doubt on her credibility as a whole?

All I did was apply for a £215 child arrangements order to have my child returned home. Now it's escalated into absolute nonsense as she's responded with a Non-Mol Application and a plethora of utterly ridiculous allegations.

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I think that possible, if the court accept that the allegations have no foundation, they may just choose to move things forward without the need for an FOF.. Let's hope so!

As I said the court will always want to move away from the blame game, if her allegations aren't found and the court move things forward, your success will be measured by the order that they make, which may be against her wishes... that's the rub for her. She will always be their mother and as such will always maintain her credibility as a whole... False allegations are really quite common in the family courts, almost par for the course, perhaps the courts have been desensitised to the impact on the party being accused... I do think if there were repercussions for lying then it might well not happen so much.

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I know, it's crazy. Unfortunately you are going to have to navigate through this. Don't make any silly mistakes like calling the ex or doing anything that she can use against you and weaken your case.

Have you prepared a chronology to submit to court ? They make it easier for the magistrates/judge to make sense of what happened when.
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Yes I'm good to go. She's actually been violent historically and had issues with alcohol.
When I pair up her allegations with my responses and my evidence against her lack of, I can actually see the case essentially turning on its head.

I do believe I have an extremely strong case and one that is genuinely stronger than hers. I've asked for 50/50 shared contact and stated I believe both parents should be in our child's life. I've never tried to block her access. Naturally she wants 100% and has produced a nonsensical list of allegations.

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Right good to go. My response has been submitted. Unfortunately my Solicitor thinks it will likely go to the full fact finding.
I've only got the Solicitor to get the ball rolling. I can't afford them after the First Arrangements Appointment Hearing, they seem to think I will only get contact centre access in the interim... FFS

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Hi there

Let's hope an FoF is avoided, but there's no way of predicting it. Perhaps the solicitor is giving their worst case scenarios on the FoF and interim contact centre access.

If you are offered contact centre I would strongly advise that you accept it, it will only be for the short term and it will likely get progressed at the following hearing.
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You're probably right. My Applicant's Response to a neutral observer is very powerful and convincing which gives me hope.
I think I may have found a loophole to get legal aid too! If I'm successful I'll share how I managed to obtain it!

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