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[Solved] Csa Arrears&regular Maintenace


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Hi all, I am new to this so bare with me, I am hoping i have posted this in the right place and would really appreciate any help, really get so down and pi..ed off with CSA. 5 years ago CSA contacted me to say I owe arrears for my daughter who was then almost 10, my ex and I split when our daughter was 3 so from 2000-2006 they say i owed arrears. to cut a long long story short, i appealed had a court date but when I got to court they said the hearing had started early and it was to late, so i was slapped with a liability order of over 10,000 and another 2 thousand on top. I am self employed and only can work when weather dry so hardly make 50 pounds some weeks. But i hired solicitors who deal with CSA but it was costing 100 hundreds pounds each letter, meeting and after a few months they still didnt get me results. Only saying That I owe the arrears because although for the 3 years of the 6, i wasn't working, i failed to notify CSA I wasn't working, but I did. the other time I gave my ex money regular when could. I have always given or been there for my daughter and do not mind paying but even now when i have only been earning about 40 down to 15 pounds a week, they want regular maintenance off me even though I am paying 10.00 a month voluntary off the disputed arrears. cab cant help with arrears but not sure yet if they can for regular maintenance. because even 6.80 a week regular maintenance to my ex is impossible, and they say they want it from last June even though they only asked for my earrings details this June.

No matter what I do with paying the arrears it always seems to go higher or stay the same, at one time 5 years ago i was paying 100 pounds a month off, but now its still over 12 grand.

Sorry for long topic, the question is there anything that can be done about arrears and this regular maintenance they want me to pay from last year. that does not cost or an arm and a leg. may thanks

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 actd
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I'll ask the CMO if there's any advice they can give, but I have to say that I don't think there's a huge amount you can do except to keep the CSA constantly aware of your position and pay as much as you can. The problem is that the CSA have some pretty powerful penalties available to them to recover arrears and to punish those who don't pay, including jail time (and that still doesn't wipe out the debt) and bankruptcy also doesn't cover child.maintenance payments.

Keep checking back for the CMO response.

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Hi Actd thanks for getting back and so fast. i thought that but this cant be happening how can they get away with taking me to court then the court hearing my case while i was standing outside and now ask me to pay maintenance from last year when they only asked me this june. I really would appreciate any help. my ex as always decied when i saw my daughter since we slit even though i said i wanted her to live with me, but i thought i would be the adult&think what was best for my daughter but in the last five years until my daughter turned 13 my ex did not encourage her to see me every week or even bring her down, i had to get two buses to get my daughter even though they have cars. I also want to know how CSA can get away with showing my piterful earnings to my ex and her husband but because she and maybe he is not working, i cant see their net. so not fair. I really feel like waiting till they take me to court again.

many thanks

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Hi, I'm Sarah a consultant at Child Maintenance Options.

The moderator is right, you will have to pay the child maintenance, including any arrears, that you owe. Have you spoken to the CSA about paying the arrears in instalments? This may help to make the payments more manageable.

If you need some more information about where you stand legally, it might be worth contacting Community Legal Advice. Their helpline number is 0845 345 4345.

For help dealing with debt, try the Consumer Credit Counselling Service - http://www.cccs.co.uk.

I hope this helps.

Sarah

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hello Sarah,

thank you for replying. I don't mind paying for my beautiful daughter, never have that's my point, ever since she was born 1997 until now i have always been there for my daugher and not only took her out e,t,c when my ex and i split in 2000 but gave money to my ex for my child. but only in 2006 did the CSA say I owe 6 years child maintenance, which 3 years of that 6 i was unemployed. my ex said i only gave a small amount 2 her over 6 years but I gave my ex money for my child as well as having my child weekly ( when my ex allowed it) so i was, like now paying 3 times. I mean with having my daughter weeks ends and all holidays now, i give money to her, and buy her food and clothes and pay arrears off monthly (10.00) which i offered to do after they saying that 'they were monitoring my situation so did not need to pay) but i did not want the bailiffs at my friends and families homes again. and now they are asking more off me weekly on 15 to 60 pounds wages a week most week. Apart from the alleged arrears which stop me having a life, as never have money, asking for back dated maintenance for a year when they knew my situation and only asked this June 2012 for my accounts ( i was sending details in to them when needed to sign on&Ooff) is what gets me mad with CSA.

I am not sure what you mean about installments, when they slapped me with the liability order, I offered to pay 100.00 pounds a month off, but then the ression hit and my work relies on dry weather so work as gone down fast, so offered from last march to pay 10.00 a month which they know i borrow most months off family&friends to pay. and now they going on my net of 900.00 pounds i earned tax year 2010/2011 but I made a loss as any 1 with a brain would see. I survive because i have a great family& friends but they dont have bottom less pit of money, so what does the CSA and my ex want, blood.

Sorry but i have always paid for my child, had her when even her mother just use to drop my daughter at my door without warning, then other weeks would not even bring her to me ( i dont have a car, she does) it seems most mothers can get all the money for a child.children and all their own way, but fathers are classed second class citizen's and are left penniless. no wonder some men choose another way out, which no ones wins then, surely not the child or children if the father is no longer alive.

I cant believe 2012 fathers have no rights and are left without money, when it takes two people to bring a child in to this world and two people to keep a child, but why is it the parent who child lives with, gets all the child benefit, tax credits income support e.t.c when the father works all hours on 1 wage. really so not fair, where is my human rights?

1 other question, i really cant pay the extra 6.80 per week and from last june, so what would happen do you think, court or would they send baliffis round again>

cheers

sorry again for going on.

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Hi

I would give the numbers a ring that Sarah suggested. Re instalments, it's a matter of anything at all is better than nothing, and it's a matter of keeping the CSA up to date with your income (both when it goes up and down). The CSA will get tough with non-payers, including the bailiffs (and if they've been round already and on the premises, they have more rights to enter your property on subsequent occasions, I believe) and ultimately jail - if you can persuade them that you are making best efforts to pay something, hopefully you will avoid a lot of this and make your life easier as well.

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Hi, sorry to hear of your plight, Yes mothers get everything and dad's can go pennyless according to the CSA ands Government. I have been writing through my MP to Maria Miller over the CSA for nearly a yr and she comes up with the same thing.
Are you self employed or a LTD company. I like you are in and out of work and have been for the last few yrs. I might work a day or a week or even 5 but then can be off for a couple of months. I do not claim from Government when l am off and rely on taking the minimum wage l can out of my company each month. Even when l work l take the minimum so l can have something in reserve for when l am not working. I put all this to the minister to no avail. I pointed out the my x who has 4 children by 3 different fathers is living comfy (thanks to us suckers) drives a fancy are and has all her housing and council tax paid, as well as child banifit, child tax credit and her own income spport. With the 3 fathers paying as well she is on over £500 a week, whilst l struggle to live on what l can earn. None of this is a comfort for you, but l would say write to your MP over the CSA , the more people who write to say the CSA is wrong the better.
My suggestion was that it should not be 15% of a non res wage but 5% (and that 5% should be on his basis wage not any overtime). The minister has told me that the person with care should pay half of the upkeep of the child. and the non res half. but you are not telling me that each monther put aside the same amount that the non res pay for each of her children and devide it up like that. If you would like to see the replies l got l will certainly give you a copy. In one sentence she states that the " child maintenence calculations is based entirely on the net income of a non resident parent and is an approximation of what they would spend if the child was living with them .... ." This is silly if it was not so sad.
I wish you happiness for the future and hope that you can get to the light at the end of the very dark tunnel.

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hi thanks for advice and that's what i mean, until first time i ever heard off CSA was 2007 saying i owed 6 years of money when i thought things were OK because i was paying my ex.

Also since then every winter i have signed on for 3 or 4 months when work stops but last did not because i have always worked and tired not to have dole and it is a pain keep sending the same information to 3 different departments and costly.

So they should not hound me in my eyes and now say even with a 900.00 take home up till april 2011, less this last year they want me to pay even more out weekly. I cant believe they still get away withhalf the things, they are just as bad as some ex's.

I do pay some off the arrears i volunteered the money so this is why it makes me mad when they seem to change the goal posts when it suits them.

thanks again

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Does anyone else have the problem of getting hold of csa?? incurring charges whilst listening to some operator telling you the lines are busy every two minutes with awful music going off in the background with no call back system?! getting raped financially as it is never mind the phone bill il receive at the end of the month. there lines are always busy?? really? or they just cba dealing with having to apologise to you for holding the line forever! My daughter is 5 years old I have always been in my daughters life and i grind every single day of my life to make sure shes got everything she needs, (as a single father) something i dont understand and i never have done since i became single, so not only you go through a break up, you also have to deal with not tucking your child into bed every night you miss out on all the full time care and have to resort into having your child a few nights a week which becomes out of a fathers hands, yet in some cases the mother has it all and on top of that have some stranger (a member of csa) ring you up telling you you need to provide for your own child bearing in mind i have provided a roof over my daughters head and she has a full wardrobe and her bellys full every weekend! how humiliating! however my issue is this. i had a case made against me once me and her mother broke up, with her not handling things great through bitterness and whatever she took me through court i have always had a stable job so paying csa has never ever been a problem, the last time i spoke with them they rearranged a new payment schedule as my wages increased and there was changes to csa but then all of a sudden payments stopped, my daughter not receiving any money and not knowing what the [censored] is happening. so my EX calls me and i get an ear full for not paying fr my daughter (headcase) so i explain then she calls csa and explained that there has been payments made and that she would receive a payment very soon??? still to this day she hasnt received anything and theyve kept the money.. why?? so then having not received any explanation through the post or by phone thats where im at, although knowing that at some point all these months that have gone by with them stopping these payments im going to have to back pay all those months thats been missed even though they know where i work and i have a stable job. so whats this all about? the worse system ever, unbeliveable! I feel as a father and a person very embarrassed and ashamed to even be writing this but lost my head!

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Hello Naianthony

With you having a case with the Child Support Agency (CSA), you would need to speak to them directly to discuss any concerns you have regarding your case or your payments. You will find their details on any letters they have sent you or on Gov.uk at https://www.gov.uk/child-maintenance.

If you would like to query any decision the CSA have made regarding your case, I have included a link that you may find useful https://www.gov.uk/child-maintenance/complaints-and-appeals.

For information on the different ways to set up child maintenance, you can visit the Child Maintenance Options website at http://www.cmoptions.org.

The DWP have a sorting out separation web-app that you may find useful. It offers help and support to separating and separated families. The link is: www.dad.info/divorce-and-separation/sorting-out-separation.

Regards

William

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