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Self Employed Losses, Help Please!

 
 T11
(@t11)
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If I am self employed as a business partner and have made a loss on my business for the past two years, do I still have to pay child maintenance?

We have a private arrangement in place, I have two kids overnight 3 nights a week, she makes sure I don’t quite have 50/50 care so she can get her monthly payment of £100 a month. I recently had them for 3 weeks in a row as I had covid and she didn’t want to risk catching it and missing her social event she had planned. She said I could ‘adjust the maintenance payment accordingly’, so I didn’t pay for that month. She then decided she did want her money for that month after all so she has gone to CMS to say I didn’t pay her and to contest how much I have to pay her. It has always been a private arrangement but I have checked what I owe her through the child maintenance calculator.

However, I pay myself a small salary from my business as I need to live, but my wife earns more than me in her job so she is the main bread winner. I asked my accountant what my gross earnings were for the last year and he said £0.00

So I have now found out that as my business has made a loss over the past two years, I have paid no tax and not technically earned any income.

Does this mean she is not entitled to any payments? I will always pay for my kids but if she is going to get nasty I need to know where I stand as self employed making a loss. She earns £50k a year so she is very comfortable and splurges on the kids all the time whilst I scrape by and can barely afford to give them pocket money. It is very much a control issue for her not a financial issue. 

Advice appreciated!

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Topic starter Posted : 04/04/2022 12:12 pm
(@bill337)
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Hi,

If she has gone to CMS, they will check your income records for most recent tax year. Most likely they will see the £0 amount and state that you pay nothing. They may ask you to get your accountant to do a projected earnings for next 12 months.

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Posted : 04/04/2022 3:13 pm
 T11
(@t11)
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@bill337 thanks. I just wanted to check that is the case. Seems she has shot herself in the foot, again! 

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Topic starter Posted : 04/04/2022 3:32 pm
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 T11
(@t11)
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 @bill337

Uploaded the SA100 as requested which shows nil gross income. 

CMS ask how I am supporting myself if i have no taxable income and no UC.

Truth of the matter is my wife pays household bills through my part time job income, completely seperate from the business.

I take a small amount from the business each month for personal expenses which has been funded by my wife’s dad who has seed funded the start up of the business with a loan from his own business.

Anyone who knows anything about business knows it takes 3 years to turn a profit/break even. So my wife’s dad has loaned us the money to get set up and to pay me a small salary which is not taxable as the business is making a loss.

Question is: can CMS charge maintenance on loans you are receiving…?

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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2022 4:15 pm
(@bill337)
Illustrious Member

hi,

when CMS asked how you are supporting yourself, did you give them the same explanation? with the loans I think it depends. if CMS want to investigate the business they could possibly class the loans as income, and perform a maintenance calculation on that. it is usually the salary or dividends taken from business that they focus on.

you could ask your accountant to send them a letter stating some information about your business.

if your interested, there's a good group on facebook for paying parents https://www.facebook.com/groups/239699060076601

 

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Posted : 09/04/2022 11:05 pm
 T11
(@t11)
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I’ve emailed my accountant for advice and a statement that I have been supporting myself through a loan from family. As this is not taxable income I’m hoping they won’t charge CM on it. I guess I’ll have to wait and see! 

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Topic starter Posted : 10/04/2022 9:27 am
(@bill337)
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@t11 if your partner is supporting you with their job, can let CMS know about it. nothing wrong with that.

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Posted : 10/04/2022 11:26 am
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